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	<title>Comments on: A momentum shift</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2899</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2899</guid>
		<description>David: Well, quite :) 

However, the only chance the Greens have of influencing the next government is if Labour makes a good fist of the campaign. If Labour's vote collapses, then it would be little consolation for the Greens to get a good party vote.  Also, my sense is that Labour-leaning voters will be more inclined to "go Green" if Labour has a clear lead over National. If the race is really close, such voters will decide to stay with Labour for fear of National getting a plurality of the party votes and being framed by the media as the winner of the election.

Also, I'm not sure that Labour is getting lots of votes from the Greens (though, clearly the student loan policy will appeal to many young Kiwis who might otherwise vote Green) - our average in the polls (the Herald one was an anomoly and I suspect that even they know that their methodology needs fixing) is around 6%, which is a great springing board for the campaign, and about where it has been for the last few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Well, quite <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, the only chance the Greens have of influencing the next government is if Labour makes a good fist of the campaign. If Labour&#8217;s vote collapses, then it would be little consolation for the Greens to get a good party vote.  Also, my sense is that Labour-leaning voters will be more inclined to &#8220;go Green&#8221; if Labour has a clear lead over National. If the race is really close, such voters will decide to stay with Labour for fear of National getting a plurality of the party votes and being framed by the media as the winner of the election.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not sure that Labour is getting lots of votes from the Greens (though, clearly the student loan policy will appeal to many young Kiwis who might otherwise vote Green) - our average in the polls (the Herald one was an anomoly and I suspect that even they know that their methodology needs fixing) is around 6%, which is a great springing board for the campaign, and about where it has been for the last few months.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2898</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2898</guid>
		<description>Labour is gaining yes, but quite a bit at expense of the Greens.  Be careful how loudly you cheerlead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour is gaining yes, but quite a bit at expense of the Greens.  Be careful how loudly you cheerlead!</p>
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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2897</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2897</guid>
		<description>BJ,
If by "big spenders" in govt services you are referring to"team bonding parties" (surely passe by now), golden hand shakes when a CEO or similar is moving on after questionable performance, (Nats were very good at this one last time round), or handing out funding without tight governance controls, then yes, I would be in agreement with you.  Joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ,<br />
If by &#8220;big spenders&#8221; in govt services you are referring to&#8221;team bonding parties&#8221; (surely passe by now), golden hand shakes when a CEO or similar is moving on after questionable performance, (Nats were very good at this one last time round), or handing out funding without tight governance controls, then yes, I would be in agreement with you.  Joy.</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2896</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2896</guid>
		<description>pq

Tax cuts don't make sense if the country is in debt.   If Labour wants to make points with me however, it needs to yank hard on the leashes of its big spenders "awww, a little waste doesn't matter" people, choke them down hard and pay off some of the debt with the money instead of throwing parties.   Discipline in the ranks.  Labour is not very good at that.  (Greens are even worse :-) )

I'd also note that the redistribution hits home in the incomes where labour's taxes hit the hardest.   It is pretty clever in its way, but it has a devil of an implementation issue attached.    

respectfully 
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pq</p>
<p>Tax cuts don&#8217;t make sense if the country is in debt.   If Labour wants to make points with me however, it needs to yank hard on the leashes of its big spenders &#8220;awww, a little waste doesn&#8217;t matter&#8221; people, choke them down hard and pay off some of the debt with the money instead of throwing parties.   Discipline in the ranks.  Labour is not very good at that.  (Greens are even worse <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also note that the redistribution hits home in the incomes where labour&#8217;s taxes hit the hardest.   It is pretty clever in its way, but it has a devil of an implementation issue attached.    </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2894</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2894</guid>
		<description>I am, of course, very pleased with Labour's announcement re: student loans.  Something needed to be done to help students and this seems pragmatic on several scores.    Offering relief, encouraging young people to consider staying home to work, giving young people the incentive to enroll and vote, just to mention a few obvious points.

Tax cuts for EVERYONE was always going to be spread too thinly, or risk life threatening surgery to core state services.

Now Labour still needs to address the oft mentioned tax glitch for that particular income range, such as BJ and others have outlined.   Joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, of course, very pleased with Labour&#8217;s announcement re: student loans.  Something needed to be done to help students and this seems pragmatic on several scores.    Offering relief, encouraging young people to consider staying home to work, giving young people the incentive to enroll and vote, just to mention a few obvious points.</p>
<p>Tax cuts for EVERYONE was always going to be spread too thinly, or risk life threatening surgery to core state services.</p>
<p>Now Labour still needs to address the oft mentioned tax glitch for that particular income range, such as BJ and others have outlined.   Joy.</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2890</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/30/a-momentum-shift/#comment-2890</guid>
		<description>thanks fwwog, Don got the ball, i think he accept that it hard to outbid in a  lolly scramble, but that politic i suppose, this  is  of course simple REDISTRIBUTION OF TAX TO RETAIN POWER, and fairly shocking even for fascists, the more it is analysed the more it  seal Helengrads reputation, 
already the people saying they sick of it,  wish we could just do some environmental stuff that would help the whole country, not just a selection, thats why ACT says tax cuts, it cross all the way to the lowly tradesman, worker,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks fwwog, Don got the ball, i think he accept that it hard to outbid in a  lolly scramble, but that politic i suppose, this  is  of course simple REDISTRIBUTION OF TAX TO RETAIN POWER, and fairly shocking even for fascists, the more it is analysed the more it  seal Helengrads reputation,<br />
already the people saying they sick of it,  wish we could just do some environmental stuff that would help the whole country, not just a selection, thats why ACT says tax cuts, it cross all the way to the lowly tradesman, worker,</p>
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