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	<title>Comments on: Teaching illusion</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: Silent Observer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-6051</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-6051</guid>
		<description>As I understand it, the Maori seats are more of a constitutional than a race-based institution. 

They are a recognition that the Maori Nation (whose independence was recognised by the Crown in 1835) retained certain collective rights while at the same time being integrated into the British Empire as outlined in the Treaty.  

These rights include a guaranteed representation in the New Zealand parliament.

Brash certainly hit a nerve with white New Zealand. I think it is a case of whites in this country feeling jealous because they feel that they are not able to freely express a strong sense of ethnic group identity in the same way that they see other ethnic groups (especially Maori) doing. 

It is phrased in the terms of "one law for all", but the reality is that the law is never equal for everybody and probably nobody would want that anyway. For example, look at how the law treats you differently depending on whether you are a child or an adult, a prisoner or a non-prisoner, someone judged to be "sane" and another judged to be "insane", etc. 

Racial harmony will come about when everyone is committed to the basic underlying unity of the human Species and at the same time allowing people to freely express themselves as a racial or ethnic collective if they feel so inclined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the Maori seats are more of a constitutional than a race-based institution. </p>
<p>They are a recognition that the Maori Nation (whose independence was recognised by the Crown in 1835) retained certain collective rights while at the same time being integrated into the British Empire as outlined in the Treaty.  </p>
<p>These rights include a guaranteed representation in the New Zealand parliament.</p>
<p>Brash certainly hit a nerve with white New Zealand. I think it is a case of whites in this country feeling jealous because they feel that they are not able to freely express a strong sense of ethnic group identity in the same way that they see other ethnic groups (especially Maori) doing. </p>
<p>It is phrased in the terms of &#8220;one law for all&#8221;, but the reality is that the law is never equal for everybody and probably nobody would want that anyway. For example, look at how the law treats you differently depending on whether you are a child or an adult, a prisoner or a non-prisoner, someone judged to be &#8220;sane&#8221; and another judged to be &#8220;insane&#8221;, etc. </p>
<p>Racial harmony will come about when everyone is committed to the basic underlying unity of the human Species and at the same time allowing people to freely express themselves as a racial or ethnic collective if they feel so inclined.</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4181</guid>
		<description>Some questions

Why does the discussion fall back into this "race-based" trap over and over again ? 

Why is a simplistic and inaccurate National Party slogan such a successful trigger, seemingly able to turn our brains off ?  

Are we/they (the Pakeha majority) really so ignorant of our history ... or are we/they just plain selfish and greedy?  

Eredwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some questions</p>
<p>Why does the discussion fall back into this &#8220;race-based&#8221; trap over and over again ? </p>
<p>Why is a simplistic and inaccurate National Party slogan such a successful trigger, seemingly able to turn our brains off ?  </p>
<p>Are we/they (the Pakeha majority) really so ignorant of our history &#8230; or are we/they just plain selfish and greedy?  </p>
<p>Eredwen</p>
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		<title>By: Not PC</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4158</link>
		<dc:creator>Not PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4158</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Funding racism, or not&lt;/strong&gt;

Bloggers and politicians have been in apocalyptic mood over Brash's frankly rather timid proposal to end some race-based funding, to review some race-based government departments, and to speed up the Waitangi gravy train.

The welfarism and governm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Funding racism, or not</strong></p>
<p>Bloggers and politicians have been in apocalyptic mood over Brash&#8217;s frankly rather timid proposal to end some race-based funding, to review some race-based government departments, and to speed up the Waitangi gravy train.</p>
<p>The welfarism and governm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jingyang</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4157</link>
		<dc:creator>jingyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4157</guid>
		<description>So National seem bound and determined to  give up on the Maori vote? Funny then that in his Orewa speech, Don said this
"Today, nearly 70% of 24 to 34 year old New Zealanders who identify as Maori are married to someone who does not.

And most of the rest are themselves of multi-ethnic identity, itself a consequence of two centuries of intermarriage. As a consequence, a majority of Maori children grow up today with a non-Maori parent."

Adding together Maori and their relatives and friends, it seems that the Nats may have given up on rather more votes than they intended :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So National seem bound and determined to  give up on the Maori vote? Funny then that in his Orewa speech, Don said this<br />
&#8220;Today, nearly 70% of 24 to 34 year old New Zealanders who identify as Maori are married to someone who does not.</p>
<p>And most of the rest are themselves of multi-ethnic identity, itself a consequence of two centuries of intermarriage. As a consequence, a majority of Maori children grow up today with a non-Maori parent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Adding together Maori and their relatives and friends, it seems that the Nats may have given up on rather more votes than they intended <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4155</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4155</guid>
		<description>Kia ora tincanman 

I don't believe that Don Brash is "calling for equality for all New Zealanders".  Looking at National's other policies, "leveling the playing field for all" does NOT seem to be the general theme.   

There are two issues that I find worth thinking about here.  

Firstly Maori historical rights are rights of "inheritance" not of "race". 
If the Pakeha majority is now able to ignore or overturn Maori historical rights because there are more Pakeha, what affect would that have on our country, now and in the future? 

Secondly, this issue would not have been raised by National if Maori seats were safely in National's hands.  Thus this stance seems to be more like self-centred political expedience, rather than idealism, to me!

Eeredwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora tincanman </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that Don Brash is &#8220;calling for equality for all New Zealanders&#8221;.  Looking at National&#8217;s other policies, &#8220;leveling the playing field for all&#8221; does NOT seem to be the general theme.   </p>
<p>There are two issues that I find worth thinking about here.  </p>
<p>Firstly Maori historical rights are rights of &#8220;inheritance&#8221; not of &#8220;race&#8221;.<br />
If the Pakeha majority is now able to ignore or overturn Maori historical rights because there are more Pakeha, what affect would that have on our country, now and in the future? </p>
<p>Secondly, this issue would not have been raised by National if Maori seats were safely in National&#8217;s hands.  Thus this stance seems to be more like self-centred political expedience, rather than idealism, to me!</p>
<p>Eeredwen</p>
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		<title>By: tincanman</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4153</link>
		<dc:creator>tincanman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4153</guid>
		<description>Is it race baiting when the man is calling for equality for all New Zealanders? Treating people based on need, rather than race? I didn't know that was being racist. Here I thought that was being a good, decent human being. Sorry Greens, had it wrong most of my life. I'll do it your way from now on and treat people based on their skin colour, rather than as people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it race baiting when the man is calling for equality for all New Zealanders? Treating people based on need, rather than race? I didn&#8217;t know that was being racist. Here I thought that was being a good, decent human being. Sorry Greens, had it wrong most of my life. I&#8217;ll do it your way from now on and treat people based on their skin colour, rather than as people.</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4152</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4152</guid>
		<description>Kia ora! 

We wouldn't be asked to worry about Don Brash's idealism, and his concern about us "all being New Zealanders" etc etc  if voters in Maori Electorates could be relied upon to vote a few National candidates into Parliament from time to time ... 

Eredwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora! </p>
<p>We wouldn&#8217;t be asked to worry about Don Brash&#8217;s idealism, and his concern about us &#8220;all being New Zealanders&#8221; etc etc  if voters in Maori Electorates could be relied upon to vote a few National candidates into Parliament from time to time &#8230; </p>
<p>Eredwen</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4151</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4151</guid>
		<description>also yous donts allowed that t selwyn in this channel fwwog,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also yous donts allowed that t selwyn in this channel fwwog,</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4150</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4150</guid>
		<description>too much to read fwwog, cant yous do philosphy in one sentence lik me,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too much to read fwwog, cant yous do philosphy in one sentence lik me,</p>
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		<title>By: tselwyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4149</link>
		<dc:creator>tselwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/29/teaching-illusion/#comment-4149</guid>
		<description>I don't know how to state this immodestly, but I take full credit for the best take-down of that bullshit speech in a blow-by-blow fashion - at least of anything I have ever seen to date.  Every other critique is superficial pap compared with it. And I mean that in a humble and objective way.  If you can download a mega pdf you'll find it at www.tumeke.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how to state this immodestly, but I take full credit for the best take-down of that bullshit speech in a blow-by-blow fashion - at least of anything I have ever seen to date.  Every other critique is superficial pap compared with it. And I mean that in a humble and objective way.  If you can download a mega pdf you&#8217;ll find it at <a href="http://www.tumeke.org" >http://www.tumeke.org</a></p>
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