Comments on: Pincer avoided http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/ hopping along the corridors of power Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:30:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8364 eredwen Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:54:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8364 Nice one Stuey! Nice one Stuey!

]]> By: Morphyoss http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8344 Morphyoss Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:02:03 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8344 heh it seems to me that the flip-flops continue heh it seems to me that the flip-flops continue

]]> By: blacksand http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8340 blacksand Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:44:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8340 hmmm, I had thought that the Maori Party negotiations would have a positive effect; by showing how far backwards the Nats were prepared to bend on their Maori-bashing pre-election stance. It has been funny seeing the Nats fall over themselves to keep quiet whilst the 'nats for treaty' lot had a go at convincing us how compatible they and the MP were (did anyone else see the Willy Jackson thingy?). Now that a govt is a done deal it's time to ramp up the populist appeal again. 3 years is a pretty long time to try and maintain it though... Sorta reminds me of Brash's trip to the Wananga; he was invited for a feed inside (clever move on the Wananga's part...) where he gave a fawning speech to them, and then proceeded to bash them to the media outside (the original plan). Hilarious! What a creep... hmmm, I had thought that the Maori Party negotiations would have a positive effect; by showing how far backwards the Nats were prepared to bend on their Maori-bashing pre-election stance.

It has been funny seeing the Nats fall over themselves to keep quiet whilst the ‘nats for treaty’ lot had a go at convincing us how compatible they and the MP were (did anyone else see the Willy Jackson thingy?). Now that a govt is a done deal it’s time to ramp up the populist appeal again. 3 years is a pretty long time to try and maintain it though…

Sorta reminds me of Brash’s trip to the Wananga; he was invited for a feed inside (clever move on the Wananga’s part…) where he gave a fawning speech to them, and then proceeded to bash them to the media outside (the original plan). Hilarious! What a creep…

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8332 stuey Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:58:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8332 he he, yes lets have some triple bottom line accounting on whether the environmental benefits of getting this information out there into the public consciousness is more important that the negetive effects of all the electricity that is used up by having computers turned on, sending electrons around the country. I would argue that: 1) a webpage is a very efficient form of transmitting information, as opposed to people who use formatting in email messages and then when they reply to an email they don't trim the quoted material and consequently the size of the email ballons out to 20 or 40 times the size it needs to be thus filling up disc space, and wasting precious metal resources needed to buy new hard drives and CDs for backups, and also taking longer to download, costing people data charges. 2) the electricity usage is very very minor and the real environmental costs with having a popular blog are that people spend less time with their families, or gardening, or working, and more time reading blogs. Mind you, you could say the same thing about TradeMe - don't get me started on Trademe, I reckon its' popularity is responsible for a breakdown in the fabric of NZ society (e.g. less volunteers for charities), and it is a reason why our economy is down the tubes (no-one doing any work at work). he he, yes lets have some triple bottom line accounting on whether the environmental benefits of getting this information out there into the public consciousness is more important that the negetive effects of all the electricity that is used up by having computers turned on, sending electrons around the country. I would argue that:

1) a webpage is a very efficient form of transmitting information, as opposed to people who use formatting in email messages and then when they reply to an email they don’t trim the quoted material and consequently the size of the email ballons out to 20 or 40 times the size it needs to be thus filling up disc space, and wasting precious metal resources needed to buy new hard drives and CDs for backups, and also taking longer to download, costing people data charges.

2) the electricity usage is very very minor and the real environmental costs with having a popular blog are that people spend less time with their families, or gardening, or working, and more time reading blogs. Mind you, you could say the same thing about TradeMe - don’t get me started on Trademe, I reckon its’ popularity is responsible for a breakdown in the fabric of NZ society (e.g. less volunteers for charities), and it is a reason why our economy is down the tubes (no-one doing any work at work).

]]> By: waymad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8328 waymad Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:57:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8328 Got to stop this groupthink, guys! The Gnat's strategy is doing this is shurely clear: - to keep a gadfly buzzing all around the Gummint, - to keep themselves in the news, - to goad ever-innocent Greens and others into expending much time and energy (think of the bandwidth needed for all these page loads - is That sustainable?) on the topic when they could be doing other things. Seems to be working, too... Got to stop this groupthink, guys! The Gnat’s strategy is doing this is shurely clear:

- to keep a gadfly buzzing all around the Gummint,
- to keep themselves in the news,
- to goad ever-innocent Greens and others into expending much time and energy (think of the bandwidth needed for all these page loads - is That sustainable?) on the topic when they could be doing other things.

Seems to be working, too…

]]> By: fastred http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8323 fastred Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:58:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8323 People who use the term "politically correct" are just insecure. The term *itself* is just the sort of waffle they purport to criticise! How about good, sensible concepts like: "its wrong (because...)" or "its stupid (because...)" or "i disagree (because...)" ....? Oh woops... sorry... that requires forthrightness, clarity and rigour.... People who use the term “politically correct” are just insecure. The term *itself* is just the sort of waffle they purport to criticise!

How about good, sensible concepts like: “its wrong (because…)” or “its stupid (because…)” or “i disagree (because…)” ….?

Oh woops… sorry… that requires forthrightness, clarity and rigour….

]]> By: CutFoldGlue http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8315 CutFoldGlue Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:51:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8315 The whole thing is farcical. You can't make [seemingly] joke appointments and maintain an air of respectable conservative leadership. <i>Maybe</i> in the wake of some suitable minor scandal, but not this soon after a loooong election campaign. No one is in the mood for politicians trying to be funny. The whole thing is farcical. You can’t make [seemingly] joke appointments and maintain an air of respectable conservative leadership. Maybe in the wake of some suitable minor scandal, but not this soon after a loooong election campaign. No one is in the mood for politicians trying to be funny.

]]> By: even http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8306 even Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:02:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/10/27/pincer-avoided/#comment-8306 So called "political correctness" is actually political incorrectness as it is usually challenging a double standard status quo. But when your backers control the media industry you get control of the lexicon among other things. Most things deemed by the higher lords of commerce as politically correct and echoed around the media circuit as such are usually things that essentially are challenging authority. By ending political correctness they are essentially wanting to end logical debate. So called “political correctness” is actually political incorrectness as it is usually challenging a double standard status quo. But when your backers control the media industry you get control of the lexicon among other things.
Most things deemed by the higher lords of commerce as politically correct and echoed around the media circuit as such are usually things that essentially are challenging authority. By ending political correctness they are essentially wanting to end logical debate.

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