fastbike : You sound as pissed off as I am. What can we collectively do about the tetra/plastic imported from Sweden (and not on sailing ships) packaging ? Could it become a useful “last straw”?

You (and others) sound as pissed off as I am, and the line “I like pissed off” comes to mind.

eredwen

The composite tetra/plastic pacakaging will have to be dumped as it currently cannot be reused or recycled, (efficiently or not Percy it makes no difference).

The number 2 plastics are downgraded and cannot be made back into food grade containers - so virgin resins are required for new containers (and guess what the resins are made of. Hint Percy the price is 400% higher now than 5 years ago and it’s not being made anymore).

Each existing glass bottle does over 30 trips. Now that’s 30 containers that RMF doesn’t have to deal with. That’s 30 containers the ratepayers in Chch don’t have to pay to “down cycle” or dispose of. And, when that glass bottle gets a bit tired, you break it and pop it back into a batch of new bottles, ready to do the journey all over again.

RMF are fuming at the lack of consultation.

City rate payers are kept in the dark and expected to pick up the costs of disposal so Graeme Hart can transfer more money into his wallet.

As for free market corporate rule idelogues, all i have to say is ……feudalism

When I took him to the pediatrician, she wanted to know what I had done because Cody had gained four pounds and grown about one-and-one-half inches in a month. I told her and, surprisingly, she was for it. After all, what could she say? She has been his doctor since his birth.”

Then a couple months ago we were visiting them again and we all tried some homemade ice cream, once again made from raw goat milk. Again, no one became ill. On a subsequent visit to our naturopath, he shared his thoughts on why he felt pasteurized, homogenized milk products were behind the rising rate of heart disease. The pieces began falling into place. Why could my kids drink goat milk fresh from the goat and not get sick? Yet when they were tested, they reacted to store-bought milk and it made them sick. It clicked. the naturopath’s machine tests products in the form that most people use. His machine was testing pasteurized products or commercially prepared products, not products fresh from the farm or cultured in my kitchen. The milk from the store was pasteurized. The milk on the farm was raw.”

Then a couple months ago we were visiting them again and we all tried some homemade ice cream, once again made from raw goat milk. Again, no one became ill. On a subsequent visit to our naturopath, he shared his thoughts on why he felt pasteurized, homogenized milk products were behind the rising rate of heart disease. The pieces began falling into place. Why could my kids drink goat milk fresh from the goat and not get sick? Yet when they were tested, they reacted to store-bought milk and it made them sick. It clicked. the naturopath’s machine tests products in the form that most people use. His machine was testing pasteurized products or commercially prepared products, not products fresh from the farm or cultured in my kitchen. The milk from the store was pasteurized. The milk on the farm was raw.”

“As for raw milk, Cody, my son, has always been tiny. He was full term, but only weighed just over four pounds at birth. His growth rate had always remained below what it should be. At almost six years, he only weighed 32 pounds. He also had been on four different allergy medications—Claritin, Flonase, Tanafed and Extendryl. Two weeks after my finding a source of raw Jersey milk, he no longer needed any medicine.

When I took him to the pediatrician, she wanted to know what I had done because Cody had gained four pounds and grown about one-and-one-half inches in a month. I told her and, surprisingly, she was for it. After all, what could she say? She has been his doctor since his birth.

Another story: Years ago Elton Maddox had a dairy. Some people he knew had a very sick baby. Elton said, “The little thing was as poor as a rail, and cried all of the time.” A baby specialist in Charleston told the baby’s father to find someone with a cow that had not been fresh for more than six weeks, and get the milk for the baby. Elton’s wife told the baby’s father that she was afraid that the milk would be too rich, give the baby diarrhea and that they might lose it. The father said that they were going to lose it anyway, so he wanted to try the milk. Elton separated out a Guernsey, milked her specially for the baby. The next day the baby’s mother wanted him to “come in and see something.” He went in and there was the baby sleeping peacefully. After putting it on the milk, the little thing got better, and did just fine”

As for free market corporate rule idelogues, all i have to say is ……feudalism.

In other words, if the ACTUAL cost of the Tetrapak, including damage to the environment due to the freight and recycling difficulty, it’s winding up in the tip and all the rest, is counted then the glass will look a lot cheaper than it does now, and the Tetrapak will look a lot dearer. The problem is that the actual costs aren’t counted because we don’t yet price the commons properly.

Since the abuse of the commons isn’t included in the price, the efficiency is not proven by the price. The price only proves the efficiency of stealing from the future, which is what damage to the commons entails.

Pricing the commons has nothing to do with private property rights.

respectfully
BJ

Can’t argue with you there. Have you thought about joining ACT?