Comments on: The photos are gross, and there are plenty more where they came from http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:19:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: naturevision http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16620 naturevision Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:12:52 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16620 Speaking of gross fishing-related photos.... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0608/S00084.htm Speaking of gross fishing-related photos….

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0608/S00084.htm

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16594 eredwen Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:10:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16594 phil u: A couple of good "stirs" there! My answer to your question is: "None". Had you read (rather than skipped?) through the thread you would understand that Naturevision's concern was the perception and distortion of so called "Greens'' behaviour by media (and other potential detractors). OK? phil u:

A couple of good “stirs” there!

My answer to your question is: “None”.

Had you read (rather than skipped?) through the thread you would understand that Naturevision’s concern was the perception and distortion of so called “Greens” behaviour by media (and other potential detractors).

OK?

]]> By: whoar.co.nz » Blog Archive » speciesism…. http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16593 whoar.co.nz » Blog Archive » speciesism…. Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:51:04 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16593 [...] go to source/story>>frogblog » The photos are gross, and there are plenty more where they came from [...] […] go to source/story>>frogblog » The photos are gross, and there are plenty more where they came from […]

]]> By: phil u. http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16590 phil u. Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:10:01 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16590 and in that vein...how about that ian ewen-street eh..? does it..or does it not..bring to mind muldoons' old joke about kiwis moving to aussie..? phil(whoar.co.nz) and in that vein…how about that ian ewen-street eh..?

does it..or does it not..bring to mind muldoons’ old joke about kiwis moving to aussie..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

]]> By: phil u. http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16589 phil u. Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:06:51 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16589 sorry eredwen..just what is the 'damage 'in open, free, uncensored dialogue...? on a site ostensibly set up for that very purpose...? (esp. in this case...where the concerns/issues raised are indeed..valid/relevant to the original posting..?..) but also it is valid to raise issues that may not have been yet covered by frog...cf....taito phillip field... this pernickinous (have i made that up?) attitude to raising 'new' issues on previously occupied threads is ..to my mind..just another manifestation of that queue-ettiquette we inherited from the british..eh..? phil(whoar.co.nz) sorry eredwen..just what is the ‘damage ‘in open, free, uncensored dialogue…?

on a site ostensibly set up for that very purpose…?

(esp. in this case…where the concerns/issues raised are indeed..valid/relevant to the original posting..?..)

but also it is valid to raise issues that may not have been yet covered by frog…cf….taito phillip field…

this pernickinous (have i made that up?) attitude to raising ‘new’ issues on previously occupied threads is ..to my mind..just another manifestation of that queue-ettiquette we inherited from the british..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16584 eredwen Sun, 06 Aug 2006 10:05:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16584 naturevision: I wouildn't assume that everyone on this thread are Greens. However, I agree with your point ... and that the "damage" of diversions is still done if they are seen to be "Greenies." naturevision:

I wouildn’t assume that everyone on this thread are Greens.

However, I agree with your point … and that the “damage” of diversions is still done if they are seen to be “Greenies.”

]]> By: naturevision http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16581 naturevision Sun, 06 Aug 2006 06:44:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16581 The media thing worries the hell out of me. when Jim Anderton arbitrarily decided to increase sea lion bycatch (world's most endangered sea lion) by more than fifty per cent, the media barely touched it. sadly, most New Zealanders don't even get an opportunity to be made aware of this stuff. i hear your points about sentient beings and i do understand where you're coming from, i'm just saying that in my experience, when green groups are involved in a process (which refers to one aspect), their constant diversions to global warming/veganism/pollution/any other possible angle, just allows the industry who have more money, better lawyers and more direct focus, an opportunity to follow down the diverted path, and not have to deal with the real issue... in this case Fisheries promise to reduce bycatch and nothing achieved. These sea lions are our 'kakapo' of the sea, and being charismatic megafauna, by protecting them, we can help protect their entire ecosystem... Sometimes greenies, in order to play the game and get the best results its important to FOCUS. The media thing worries the hell out of me. when Jim Anderton arbitrarily decided to increase sea lion bycatch (world’s most endangered sea lion) by more than fifty per cent, the media barely touched it. sadly, most New Zealanders don’t even get an opportunity to be made aware of this stuff.

i hear your points about sentient beings and i do understand where you’re coming from, i’m just saying that in my experience, when green groups are involved in a process (which refers to one aspect), their constant diversions to global warming/veganism/pollution/any other possible angle, just allows the industry who have more money, better lawyers and more direct focus, an opportunity to follow down the diverted path, and not have to deal with the real issue… in this case Fisheries promise to reduce bycatch and nothing achieved.

These sea lions are our ‘kakapo’ of the sea, and being charismatic megafauna, by protecting them, we can help protect their entire ecosystem…

Sometimes greenies, in order to play the game and get the best results its important to FOCUS.

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16580 stuey Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:31:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16580 poffa, Metiria only has 24 hours in a day, same as the rest of us, she can't do everything that is asked of her. poffa, Metiria only has 24 hours in a day, same as the rest of us, she can’t do everything that is asked of her.

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16578 stuey Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:16:51 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16578 yeah fair enough naturevision, but the post is also about media reaction and getting in the papers with explicit photos, so some comment on how some issues are deemed worthy of media attention and other similar ones aren't seems appropriate. yeah fair enough naturevision, but the post is also about media reaction and getting in the papers with explicit photos, so some comment on how some issues are deemed worthy of media attention and other similar ones aren’t seems appropriate.

]]> By: poffa http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16573 poffa Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:16:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/08/04/the-photos-are-gross-and-there-are-plenty-more-where-they-came-from/#comment-16573 minister, member all the same but when i write to someone in a party that i vote for and support in other ways i do expect some sort of aknowledgement or reply. this member chooses not to ,on an issue that i feel impacts on my childrens future and the future of those to come i begin to wonder why. the nicotine lobby is very powerful and i am left to make assumtions. also big ups phil as one on the path i fully understand where u are coming from. lambs seagulls snails all deserve our concern and protection. i've heard those west coast snails secrete a substance that is a possible cure for all types of illness. pity we extincted them before this was discovered. minister, member all the same but when i write to someone in a party that i vote for and support in other ways i do expect some sort of aknowledgement or reply. this member chooses not to ,on an issue that i feel impacts on my childrens future and the future of those to come i begin to wonder why. the nicotine lobby is very powerful and i am left to make assumtions.
also big ups phil as one on the path i fully understand where u are coming from. lambs seagulls snails all deserve our concern and protection.
i’ve heard those west coast snails secrete a substance that is a possible cure for all types of illness. pity we extincted them before this was discovered.

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