Comments on: Brethren strike again http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:58:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17358 stuey Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:45:15 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17358 Hey bigbruv, I think you need to make more use of the <a href="http://www.learnthenet.com/English/glossary/imho.htm" rel="nofollow">IMHO</a> acronym. Or at least offer some justification or some references for your sweeping statements that anything you diagree with is "ridiculous". Hey bigbruv, I think you need to make more use of the IMHO acronym. Or at least offer some justification or some references for your sweeping statements that anything you diagree with is “ridiculous”.

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17353 eredwen Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:12:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17353 ...and do you Henry? …and do you Henry?

]]> By: Henry http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17350 Henry Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:55:19 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17350 Lets not forget the others, such as the liquor industry. They had their own lobbiest in parliment until Mat Robsin got his parlimentary pass revoked. Henry PS I have had dealings with the Brethertons, the're a wierd mob, percieving the likes of me to have unclean thoughts. Lets not forget the others, such as the liquor industry. They had their own lobbiest in parliment until Mat Robsin got his parlimentary pass revoked.
Henry
PS I have had dealings with the Brethertons, the’re a wierd mob, percieving the likes of me to have unclean thoughts.

]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17332 bjchip Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:15:53 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17332 Why should we be allowing some people in as refugees? It is one of those social contract things, and somewhat involved, but the logic I offer is this. We are the proud possessors of a lifeboat. We aren't the only ones, but we have one. We have room for a limited number of people in the lifeboat, and only a few empty places remain. A whole lot of people, some of whom may die if they fail, want to get into the lifeboats. If we tell them all "No way" there is no support for our position from other nations and as we offer no respect for their human rights, they are not obliged to have any respect for our own. If we accept a number of them in support of the UN refugee programs the respect and the support stay in place. ...and some of us can still sleep nights, and look at ourselves in the mirror. Not simple, but such things seldom are. You want a better class of migrant? Make it clear that the rules favour them and that you really do want them. When I came from the USA it was quite nearly impossible to migrate here... and from the questions I get from my compatriots still there, the impression our immigration service made then is still predominant. The rules are easier now, but most of my former co-workers don't know that. It's actually too late for some of them now. Selling the house and moving isn't an easy option when the value of the place just dropped 10% in the past couple of months and you're suddenly underwater in your loan. respectfully BJ Why should we be allowing some people in as refugees? It is one of those social contract things, and somewhat involved, but the logic I offer is this.

We are the proud possessors of a lifeboat. We aren’t the only ones, but we have one.

We have room for a limited number of people in the lifeboat, and only a few empty places remain.

A whole lot of people, some of whom may die if they fail, want to get into the lifeboats.

If we tell them all “No way” there is no support for our position from other nations and as we offer no respect for their human rights, they are not obliged to have any respect for our own. If we accept a number of them in support of the UN refugee programs the respect and the support stay in place.

…and some of us can still sleep nights, and look at ourselves in the mirror.

Not simple, but such things seldom are.

You want a better class of migrant? Make it clear that the rules favour them and that you really do want them. When I came from the USA it was quite nearly impossible to migrate here… and from the questions I get from my compatriots still there, the impression our immigration service made then is still predominant. The rules are easier now, but most of my former co-workers don’t know that.

It’s actually too late for some of them now. Selling the house and moving isn’t an easy option when the value of the place just dropped 10% in the past couple of months and you’re suddenly underwater in your loan.

respectfully
BJ

]]> By: big bruv http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17330 big bruv Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:16:31 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17330 Speaking of immigration....why the hell are we letting in another 300 potential terrorists! We should be bringing in people who can add to the country not bludge off it. Speaking of immigration….why the hell are we letting in another 300 potential terrorists!
We should be bringing in people who can add to the country not bludge off it.

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17329 eredwen Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:00:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17329 ekstatek Why did our ancestors (yours and mine) come here? Mine came for a better life in a country where that was possible. I do agree with you about overpopulation however ... and about intergration into a friendly and basically egalitarian Aotearoa/NZ. My reading of the current reasons for migration is that they are rather more "right" than "left" in that the exponents talk about "more consumers" and "more workers" to produce the consumables for local and for overseas "markets". ekstatek

Why did our ancestors (yours and mine) come here? Mine came for a better life in a country where that was possible.

I do agree with you about overpopulation however … and about intergration into a friendly and basically egalitarian Aotearoa/NZ.

My reading of the current reasons for migration is that they are rather more “right” than “left” in that the exponents talk about “more consumers” and “more workers” to produce the consumables for local and for overseas “markets”.

]]> By: ekstatek http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17327 ekstatek Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:18:18 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17327 I agree all advertising should be legal, even by the brethren if people are dumb enuff to be convinced by a few pamphlets then they shouldn't be able to vote, i am sick of the left-minded thought that we should allow everyone into our country after they have over-populated theirs, its a disgrace because all that will do is over-populate our country aswell. I agree all advertising should be legal, even by the brethren if people are dumb enuff to be convinced by a few pamphlets then they shouldn’t be able to vote, i am sick of the left-minded thought that we should allow everyone into our country after they have over-populated theirs, its a disgrace because all that will do is over-populate our country aswell.

]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17326 bjchip Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:10:01 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17326 BB - and your point is? ...I mean, besides gloating over something that happened on the other side of the planet owing to dishonesty. Reminds me a little of the USA which is governed by a minority government because a very similar group of people cheated. Will it come good? Yes. Will blood be shed? Likely in the end. The repression is only just started. You are welcome to come here with your opinions, even though they fill a much needed silence, We would of course actually VALUE more meaningful contributions... if you are capable of making them. BJ BB - and your point is? …I mean, besides gloating over something that happened on the other side of the planet owing to dishonesty.

Reminds me a little of the USA which is governed by a minority government because a very similar group of people cheated. Will it come good? Yes. Will blood be shed? Likely in the end. The repression is only just started.

You are welcome to come here with your opinions, even though they fill a much needed silence, We would of course actually VALUE more meaningful contributions… if you are capable of making them.

BJ

]]> By: big bruv http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17324 big bruv Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:20:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17324 Jeeves. You must be "havin a laugh"..Klarke is not interested in democracy, nor are most on the left, you only have to look at the ridiculous resource management act to see that. She stamps out (or attempts to stamp out) anybody who dares to argue with her. P.S...Pay back the money you stole from me please Helen. Jeeves.

You must be “havin a laugh”..Klarke is not interested in democracy, nor are most on the left, you only have to look at the ridiculous resource management act to see that.

She stamps out (or attempts to stamp out) anybody who dares to argue with her.

P.S…Pay back the money you stole from me please Helen.

]]> By: jeeves http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17322 jeeves Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:04:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/19/brethren-strike-again/#comment-17322 as for the Brethren , if they campaign openly and are willing to justify their position to public scrutiny, like the Destiny Church, unions, Helen Clark and Don Brash, rather than hiding behind false names, false addresses and fake companies, bring them on. Until they do that and prove some respect for one of NZ's core values - democracy - they can get stuffed, nothing to do with their religion. as for the Brethren , if they campaign openly and are willing to justify their position to public scrutiny, like the Destiny Church, unions, Helen Clark and Don Brash, rather than hiding behind false names, false addresses and fake companies, bring them on. Until they do that and prove some respect for one of NZ’s core values - democracy - they can get stuffed, nothing to do with their religion.

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