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	<title>Comments on: Excerpts from yesterday&#8217;s Hansard</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: kiore1</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20738</link>
		<dc:creator>kiore1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20738</guid>
		<description>Phil

The GP are the only party to actually have an animal welfare policy, and a dedicated spokesperson. 

Sue Kedgley did a lot to convince the Regulations Review Committee to reject the layer hen code of (so-called) welfare.  I know because I briefed her before hand and I was at the committee meetings.   The government dictatorally overturned the committee's recommendations, but that is hardly the GP's fault.

The GP have two private members bills in the ballot.  One will require vivisectors to be more open about their experiments and the number of animals being used, the other will abolish cage hens and pigs.

It is not exactly vegan revolution I know, but given that there are some conservative farming elements in the party, it is probably about as good as we will get for the moment.  If you are concerned about animal welfare then you could ave joined the group formulating the new animal welfare policy.

Since animal agriculture is a higher contributor to climate change and other environmental destruction than cars, then it might make more sense to tax meat than transport.  

kiore1
www.epf.org.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil</p>
<p>The GP are the only party to actually have an animal welfare policy, and a dedicated spokesperson. </p>
<p>Sue Kedgley did a lot to convince the Regulations Review Committee to reject the layer hen code of (so-called) welfare.  I know because I briefed her before hand and I was at the committee meetings.   The government dictatorally overturned the committee&#8217;s recommendations, but that is hardly the GP&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>The GP have two private members bills in the ballot.  One will require vivisectors to be more open about their experiments and the number of animals being used, the other will abolish cage hens and pigs.</p>
<p>It is not exactly vegan revolution I know, but given that there are some conservative farming elements in the party, it is probably about as good as we will get for the moment.  If you are concerned about animal welfare then you could ave joined the group formulating the new animal welfare policy.</p>
<p>Since animal agriculture is a higher contributor to climate change and other environmental destruction than cars, then it might make more sense to tax meat than transport.  </p>
<p>kiore1<br />
<a href="http://www.epf.org.nz" >http://www.epf.org.nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Climate Change Elucidated :: Excerpts from yesterdayâ€™s Hansard</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20526</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Change Elucidated :: Excerpts from yesterdayâ€™s Hansard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20386</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20386</guid>
		<description>I heard Dennis Dutton on Afternoons on RNZ. He spoke about how it was reported that the Ross Ice Shelf was in danger of colapsing and he poo -hooed that as alarmist. He then talked about how we are told that temperatures on the ___ Peninsula are rising. He however, checked temperatures over the rest of the continent were the same. Conclusion: scientists cherry pick data  and therefore anthropomorphic climate change is in doubt.
Jim Moira only offered him a buiscuit with his cup of tea.
That's twice (and I'm not listening all the time) I've heard DD getting air time, unchallenged on the issue.
JH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Dennis Dutton on Afternoons on RNZ. He spoke about how it was reported that the Ross Ice Shelf was in danger of colapsing and he poo -hooed that as alarmist. He then talked about how we are told that temperatures on the ___ Peninsula are rising. He however, checked temperatures over the rest of the continent were the same. Conclusion: scientists cherry pick data  and therefore anthropomorphic climate change is in doubt.<br />
Jim Moira only offered him a buiscuit with his cup of tea.<br />
That&#8217;s twice (and I&#8217;m not listening all the time) I&#8217;ve heard DD getting air time, unchallenged on the issue.<br />
JH</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20371</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20371</guid>
		<description>The six bill pack are a fantastic start..... and for God's sake, sending our money overseas on the global casino really worries me.   If we are getting good returns at the present, just wait for the economic downturn.  At the very least, it should be going into useful stuff in NZ, like rail, a NZ shipping line,  insulation (800,000 houses without) that get guaranteed long term returns.

But as for more serious change   .... we need You to be the New Actor ... empowered by Contraction and convergence and personal carbon allowances 

In the past few years, the scientific community has achieved a near-consensus that our energy profligate lifestyles are contributing to a process that threatens future life on earth. The Global Commons Institute has put forward a realistic framework to prevent this. Based on principles of precaution and equity, the policy of contraction and convergence appears to be commanding impressive support from the UK Government and in international circles.  The Tyndall Foundation recently concluded an assessment of the equity, effectiveness and efficiency of "Domestic Tradable Quotas" with a summary report at:
www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/summary_t3_22.shtml

Now that both National and Labour have moved towards stronger positions on climate concern, it is really urgent that we get the most effective economic instruments out in the public eye with full implementation in the near future. 

Given that scientists have calculated that the capacity of the planet to absorb greenhouse gases without serious destabilisation of the climate is finite, could anyone reasonably support the proposition that the contraction should converge towards an unequal distribution? If that capacity is therefore divided by the world's population, each person's fair annual allocation of carbon dioxide emissions cannot be greater than about 1 tonne.

Clearly, it would be wholly impractical for us as individuals or for the economy to cope with an immediate reduction to the 1 tonne allowance, although it must be achieved as soon as possible. A year-on-year reduction will be needed. But given due warning of each future annual allowance, people can make changes to their home, transport arrangements, and general lifestyle at the least cost and in the way that suits them best. By including all personal transport and household energy use in the allowance, a large proportion of total emissions will be covered. Units of the allowance will be surrendered when gas and electricity bills are paid, petrol is purchased, and air tickets bought. The contribution made by the business, industry, commerce, and public sectors which produce our goods and services can be included at a later date within a wider allowance system. 

A key feature of the proposal is buying and selling. Those who lead less energy intensive lives and who invest in energy efficiency and renewable energy are unlikely to use all their allowance. They will then not only be spending less on fuel but will also add to their income by selling their surplus units. The process will be a far more effective driver towards minimising the impact of climate change than attempting to encourage individuals to adopt green practices. 

Carbon allowances will act as a parallel currency to real money as well as creating an ecologically virtuous circle. Individuals with low energy use-and therefore low emissions-will have a surplus to sell, while those maintaining high energy use will have to buy this surplus. But the cost of doing so will rise steadily in line with the reduction of the allowance because price will be determined by the availability of the surplus set against the demand for it. In effect, a conserver gains principle will complement the conventional polluter pays principle. 

Where does the prime responsibility for the adoption of such a radical but essential transformation of society lie? Of course, only government can ensure that individuals are obliged to exercise their responsibilities in this way. Without action, we will be knowingly handing over a dying planet to the next generation. 

It would work like this: The government would allocate to each adult an equal per capita share of the country's emissions that are attributable directly to individuals.   The remaining carbon emissions would be auctioned to government and business. 

So what would happen if each person was financially responsible for his or her own emissions?
Firstly we would find out where our allowance was going: do we drive a big car?  do we leave the lights on? If there was strong financial incentive and individual access to the market, one would see a rapid move away from wasteful to low-carbon lifestyles.  People would look for low-carbon products and services to save on their emissions allocations. If there was demand for low-carbon products, entrepreneurs, in turn, would develop and produce them for the market. 

For more detail go to 
http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/final_reports/t3_22.pdf

Paul B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The six bill pack are a fantastic start&#8230;.. and for God&#8217;s sake, sending our money overseas on the global casino really worries me.   If we are getting good returns at the present, just wait for the economic downturn.  At the very least, it should be going into useful stuff in NZ, like rail, a NZ shipping line,  insulation (800,000 houses without) that get guaranteed long term returns.</p>
<p>But as for more serious change   &#8230;. we need You to be the New Actor &#8230; empowered by Contraction and convergence and personal carbon allowances </p>
<p>In the past few years, the scientific community has achieved a near-consensus that our energy profligate lifestyles are contributing to a process that threatens future life on earth. The Global Commons Institute has put forward a realistic framework to prevent this. Based on principles of precaution and equity, the policy of contraction and convergence appears to be commanding impressive support from the UK Government and in international circles.  The Tyndall Foundation recently concluded an assessment of the equity, effectiveness and efficiency of &#8220;Domestic Tradable Quotas&#8221; with a summary report at:<br />
<a href="http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/summary_t3_22.shtml" >http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/summary_t3_22.shtml</a></p>
<p>Now that both National and Labour have moved towards stronger positions on climate concern, it is really urgent that we get the most effective economic instruments out in the public eye with full implementation in the near future. </p>
<p>Given that scientists have calculated that the capacity of the planet to absorb greenhouse gases without serious destabilisation of the climate is finite, could anyone reasonably support the proposition that the contraction should converge towards an unequal distribution? If that capacity is therefore divided by the world&#8217;s population, each person&#8217;s fair annual allocation of carbon dioxide emissions cannot be greater than about 1 tonne.</p>
<p>Clearly, it would be wholly impractical for us as individuals or for the economy to cope with an immediate reduction to the 1 tonne allowance, although it must be achieved as soon as possible. A year-on-year reduction will be needed. But given due warning of each future annual allowance, people can make changes to their home, transport arrangements, and general lifestyle at the least cost and in the way that suits them best. By including all personal transport and household energy use in the allowance, a large proportion of total emissions will be covered. Units of the allowance will be surrendered when gas and electricity bills are paid, petrol is purchased, and air tickets bought. The contribution made by the business, industry, commerce, and public sectors which produce our goods and services can be included at a later date within a wider allowance system. </p>
<p>A key feature of the proposal is buying and selling. Those who lead less energy intensive lives and who invest in energy efficiency and renewable energy are unlikely to use all their allowance. They will then not only be spending less on fuel but will also add to their income by selling their surplus units. The process will be a far more effective driver towards minimising the impact of climate change than attempting to encourage individuals to adopt green practices. </p>
<p>Carbon allowances will act as a parallel currency to real money as well as creating an ecologically virtuous circle. Individuals with low energy use-and therefore low emissions-will have a surplus to sell, while those maintaining high energy use will have to buy this surplus. But the cost of doing so will rise steadily in line with the reduction of the allowance because price will be determined by the availability of the surplus set against the demand for it. In effect, a conserver gains principle will complement the conventional polluter pays principle. </p>
<p>Where does the prime responsibility for the adoption of such a radical but essential transformation of society lie? Of course, only government can ensure that individuals are obliged to exercise their responsibilities in this way. Without action, we will be knowingly handing over a dying planet to the next generation. </p>
<p>It would work like this: The government would allocate to each adult an equal per capita share of the country&#8217;s emissions that are attributable directly to individuals.   The remaining carbon emissions would be auctioned to government and business. </p>
<p>So what would happen if each person was financially responsible for his or her own emissions?<br />
Firstly we would find out where our allowance was going: do we drive a big car?  do we leave the lights on? If there was strong financial incentive and individual access to the market, one would see a rapid move away from wasteful to low-carbon lifestyles.  People would look for low-carbon products and services to save on their emissions allocations. If there was demand for low-carbon products, entrepreneurs, in turn, would develop and produce them for the market. </p>
<p>For more detail go to<br />
<a href="http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/final_reports/t3_22.pdf" >http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/final_reports/t3_22.pdf</a></p>
<p>Paul B</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20369</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20369</guid>
		<description>big bruv....could you please bring me up to speed on 'the fantastic work the greens have done on animal rights/welfare'...

'cos i must have blinked..and missed it..eh..?

seriously..what..to your mind..have they done..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big bruv&#8230;.could you please bring me up to speed on &#8216;the fantastic work the greens have done on animal rights/welfare&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;cos i must have blinked..and missed it..eh..?</p>
<p>seriously..what..to your mind..have they done..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: Prim</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20322</link>
		<dc:creator>Prim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20322</guid>
		<description>Well said, eredwen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, eredwen!</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20312</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 00:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20312</guid>
		<description>Having had a quick look at the six bills I think they're a pretty mixed bag.

The Government Vehicle bill is good as long as it makes exceptions for specialist vehicles such as paddy wagons and the like.

The Electricity Fixed charge bill looks good.

The Airline Emissions bill will make travel in NZ and to and from NZ significantly more expensive. The tourism trade will suffer the most, possibly meaning that West Coasters will become even more eager to cut down trees and dig up coal to replace the lost income from tourists.

The NZ Superfund bill will suceed only in lowering the value of the NZ super fund and therefore the superannuation provisions of many NZers.

The Public Transport Funding bill sets an arbitrary amount and won't be good for road safety.

As for the Rail Electrification bill, that looks fine as long as the RMA is substantially altered so that developers will actually be able to build hydro and geothermal power plants. The RMA has been identified as the biggest block to low polluting renewable energy production. The period when the Greens have been involved in government has also been the period when the share of our energy production made up by renewables has dropped to 58% down from a peak of 87% in 1980. Unless the current regulatory regime is changed then the electricity required for the Rail Electrification bill will be generated by power plants burning coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had a quick look at the six bills I think they&#8217;re a pretty mixed bag.</p>
<p>The Government Vehicle bill is good as long as it makes exceptions for specialist vehicles such as paddy wagons and the like.</p>
<p>The Electricity Fixed charge bill looks good.</p>
<p>The Airline Emissions bill will make travel in NZ and to and from NZ significantly more expensive. The tourism trade will suffer the most, possibly meaning that West Coasters will become even more eager to cut down trees and dig up coal to replace the lost income from tourists.</p>
<p>The NZ Superfund bill will suceed only in lowering the value of the NZ super fund and therefore the superannuation provisions of many NZers.</p>
<p>The Public Transport Funding bill sets an arbitrary amount and won&#8217;t be good for road safety.</p>
<p>As for the Rail Electrification bill, that looks fine as long as the RMA is substantially altered so that developers will actually be able to build hydro and geothermal power plants. The RMA has been identified as the biggest block to low polluting renewable energy production. The period when the Greens have been involved in government has also been the period when the share of our energy production made up by renewables has dropped to 58% down from a peak of 87% in 1980. Unless the current regulatory regime is changed then the electricity required for the Rail Electrification bill will be generated by power plants burning coal.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20304</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20304</guid>
		<description>Stuey : &lt;i&gt;oh for gawds sake you are a troll and no mistake&lt;/i&gt;

I think of our Big Bro as more of a mascot than a troll. I think that, ideologically, he is of the canine persuasion. A dog who barks at passing cars is doing it out of pure principle : deep in his heart, he knows his barking isn't actually going to change anything, but wah-wah-wah all the same. You can reason with him all you like, he won't change his ideas, it'll be back to wah-wah-wah two minutes later.

I have no desire to chain him up or anything. I just hope he doesn't get run over by a truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuey : <i>oh for gawds sake you are a troll and no mistake</i></p>
<p>I think of our Big Bro as more of a mascot than a troll. I think that, ideologically, he is of the canine persuasion. A dog who barks at passing cars is doing it out of pure principle : deep in his heart, he knows his barking isn&#8217;t actually going to change anything, but wah-wah-wah all the same. You can reason with him all you like, he won&#8217;t change his ideas, it&#8217;ll be back to wah-wah-wah two minutes later.</p>
<p>I have no desire to chain him up or anything. I just hope he doesn&#8217;t get run over by a truck.</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20298</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20298</guid>
		<description>big bruv:

I am being VERY honest as I continue to do MY SHARE of what everyone should (must) do to reverse the damage Homo sapiens has caused, and is causing, to the life supporting systems on this Planet. 

As a parent I want this Planet and its systems to remain supportive of life as we know it and thus allow my/our descendants to survive and thrive.

MY MESSAGE IS: that the life we lead, having made "sustainable living" choices, can be GREAT!  (Nothing to be afraid of there, UNLESS we ignore the problems now!)

It is a less frightening prospect for me, in that I was born in the 1940's during WW2, when there were very few cars.  We used trams and trains and bicycles (all of which are potentially much more efficient now) ... and when I was only 6years old we took the train to Arthurs Pass and I was introduced to Alpine Skiing (which became and remains the skill and great passion of my life).  
I live in the same (very well designed in 1920's) environmentally friendly house that I grew up in, and thus I have experienced a simpler life here in the "pre-plastic" days, that was very little different from the life I lead now. 

In the time we have lived here we have developed a beautiful indigenous forest which requires no watering ... and it absorbs "greenhouse gases"! 
I buy my clothes (and computers) etc second hand ... I reduce, reuse and recycle ... I use the Public Library ...  etc ... etc

Last evening I had a delicious meal with my kids ... vegetarian, largely home grown ... I have a "state of the art" bicycle ... I use public transport ... and drive my fuel efficient well tuned car only when necessary.

Tough life eh?

In EVERY individual choice we make, we each contribute, or don't contribute, to the destruction of Earth's ability to support life ... It is as simple as that!

I'll end this with the famous quote:
 
â€œNever doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.â€? Margaret Mead 


Kia ora!

eredwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big bruv:</p>
<p>I am being VERY honest as I continue to do MY SHARE of what everyone should (must) do to reverse the damage Homo sapiens has caused, and is causing, to the life supporting systems on this Planet. </p>
<p>As a parent I want this Planet and its systems to remain supportive of life as we know it and thus allow my/our descendants to survive and thrive.</p>
<p>MY MESSAGE IS: that the life we lead, having made &#8220;sustainable living&#8221; choices, can be GREAT!  (Nothing to be afraid of there, UNLESS we ignore the problems now!)</p>
<p>It is a less frightening prospect for me, in that I was born in the 1940&#8217;s during WW2, when there were very few cars.  We used trams and trains and bicycles (all of which are potentially much more efficient now) &#8230; and when I was only 6years old we took the train to Arthurs Pass and I was introduced to Alpine Skiing (which became and remains the skill and great passion of my life).<br />
I live in the same (very well designed in 1920&#8217;s) environmentally friendly house that I grew up in, and thus I have experienced a simpler life here in the &#8220;pre-plastic&#8221; days, that was very little different from the life I lead now. </p>
<p>In the time we have lived here we have developed a beautiful indigenous forest which requires no watering &#8230; and it absorbs &#8220;greenhouse gases&#8221;!<br />
I buy my clothes (and computers) etc second hand &#8230; I reduce, reuse and recycle &#8230; I use the Public Library &#8230;  etc &#8230; etc</p>
<p>Last evening I had a delicious meal with my kids &#8230; vegetarian, largely home grown &#8230; I have a &#8220;state of the art&#8221; bicycle &#8230; I use public transport &#8230; and drive my fuel efficient well tuned car only when necessary.</p>
<p>Tough life eh?</p>
<p>In EVERY individual choice we make, we each contribute, or don&#8217;t contribute, to the destruction of Earth&#8217;s ability to support life &#8230; It is as simple as that!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll end this with the famous quote:</p>
<p>â€œNever doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.â€? Margaret Mead </p>
<p>Kia ora!</p>
<p>eredwen</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20297</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/06/excerpts-from-yestedays-hansard/#comment-20297</guid>
		<description>Big Bruv -  You're getting answers from us and you are telling us you don't believe or accept the answers because we MUST do what you expect us to do.   The only one saying we will "raise" taxes is you.  We don't plan on it, nor is it part of our policy.   If you wish to debate here you actually have to accept that our position belongs to us, it is not yours to define... otherwise there is little sense in continuing to discuss anything.   

Green party policy is not lightly or casually derived.  No one person writes it, nobody can buy a word of it, and we all prefer the method by which we arrive at it.   We agree with the party principles, that's unanimous, but I promise you there's no mind-control here.   Read the principles and tell me which you disagree with if any.   As for blind acceptance, that is simply wrong.  I know of no green at all who doesn't think for themself and reach their own opinions.   

 We aren't what the National party or Peter Dunne or the EB say we are, nor what the media bother to report.   You see any party out there that does not have a few loose cannon rolling across the deck? 

I was serious about you doing something about the stereotypes.  They are starting to get in the way of serious discussion.   You have been mostly an honourable interlocutor, but we don't say stuff we don't mean and we shouldn't be chewing over what you want to believe we said but didn't.     

{sorry, tired, I think that last bit still parses though}

OK?  

respectfully 
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Bruv -  You&#8217;re getting answers from us and you are telling us you don&#8217;t believe or accept the answers because we MUST do what you expect us to do.   The only one saying we will &#8220;raise&#8221; taxes is you.  We don&#8217;t plan on it, nor is it part of our policy.   If you wish to debate here you actually have to accept that our position belongs to us, it is not yours to define&#8230; otherwise there is little sense in continuing to discuss anything.   </p>
<p>Green party policy is not lightly or casually derived.  No one person writes it, nobody can buy a word of it, and we all prefer the method by which we arrive at it.   We agree with the party principles, that&#8217;s unanimous, but I promise you there&#8217;s no mind-control here.   Read the principles and tell me which you disagree with if any.   As for blind acceptance, that is simply wrong.  I know of no green at all who doesn&#8217;t think for themself and reach their own opinions.   </p>
<p> We aren&#8217;t what the National party or Peter Dunne or the EB say we are, nor what the media bother to report.   You see any party out there that does not have a few loose cannon rolling across the deck? </p>
<p>I was serious about you doing something about the stereotypes.  They are starting to get in the way of serious discussion.   You have been mostly an honourable interlocutor, but we don&#8217;t say stuff we don&#8217;t mean and we shouldn&#8217;t be chewing over what you want to believe we said but didn&#8217;t.     </p>
<p>{sorry, tired, I think that last bit still parses though}</p>
<p>OK?  </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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