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	<title>Comments on: IPCC got it wrong - it&#8217;s worse</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-30025</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-30025</guid>
		<description>"Huge sea level rises are coming – unless we act now" - James Hansen, head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. He gives a frank and disturbing answer to the question "Why might scientists be reticent to express concerns about something so important?"

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19526141.600-huge-sea-level-rises-are-coming--unless-we-act-now.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Huge sea level rises are coming – unless we act now&#8221; - James Hansen, head of NASA&#8217;s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. He gives a frank and disturbing answer to the question &#8220;Why might scientists be reticent to express concerns about something so important?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19526141.600-huge-sea-level-rises-are-coming--unless-we-act-now.html" >http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19526141.600-huge- sea-level-rises-are-coming&#8211;unless-we-act-now.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29634</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29634</guid>
		<description>jh, If I understand the Richter Scale correctly the energy release at the fault line would be 10 times greater than Inangahua and two or three times greater than Murchison or Napier. In each of these quakes less than 100 km of faultline ruptured. The Great Alpine Earthquake will affect five times more land area than the Napier quake. 

At one point the Great Alpine Fault is less than 150km from Christchurch and combined with the geology of the Canterbury plains parts of Christchurch and North Canterbury could experience collapse of masonry buildings. If the quake happened today the waterlogged soil would cause quite a bit of liquifaction in Kaiapoi and slope failrures in the Port Hills suburbs.

It is more equivalent to the Great Wellington quake circa 1850 that lifted much of the CBD above sea level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jh, If I understand the Richter Scale correctly the energy release at the fault line would be 10 times greater than Inangahua and two or three times greater than Murchison or Napier. In each of these quakes less than 100 km of faultline ruptured. The Great Alpine Earthquake will affect five times more land area than the Napier quake. </p>
<p>At one point the Great Alpine Fault is less than 150km from Christchurch and combined with the geology of the Canterbury plains parts of Christchurch and North Canterbury could experience collapse of masonry buildings. If the quake happened today the waterlogged soil would cause quite a bit of liquifaction in Kaiapoi and slope failrures in the Port Hills suburbs.</p>
<p>It is more equivalent to the Great Wellington quake circa 1850 that lifted much of the CBD above sea level.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29633</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29633</guid>
		<description>An earthquake like that would be equivalent to the Inangahua or Murchison Earthquakes?
jh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An earthquake like that would be equivalent to the Inangahua or Murchison Earthquakes?<br />
jh</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29632</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29632</guid>
		<description>Cool

I designed something very similar for my parents place on the beach in Sag Harbor... we didn't build it (I was not yet an engineer and there was never any money), but aside from using regular pontoons rather than foam filled, it was exactly the same.     

After everyone stopped laughing they realized I was serious.   Eleven year olds often are more serious than you expect.    

respectfully 
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool</p>
<p>I designed something very similar for my parents place on the beach in Sag Harbor&#8230; we didn&#8217;t build it (I was not yet an engineer and there was never any money), but aside from using regular pontoons rather than foam filled, it was exactly the same.     </p>
<p>After everyone stopped laughing they realized I was serious.   Eleven year olds often are more serious than you expect.    </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29630</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29630</guid>
		<description>"Dutch Answer to Flooding: Build Houses that Swim"
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,377050,00.html
and
http://www.ecoboot.nl/artikelen/floating_houses.php
and
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1026/p13s02-lihc.html
and
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/floating_ecohom.php
and
http://www.inhabitat.com/2006/08/29/interview-koen-olthius-of-waterstudionl/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dutch Answer to Flooding: Build Houses that Swim&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,377050,00.html" >http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,377050,00.html</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.ecoboot.nl/artikelen/floating_houses.php" >http://www.ecoboot.nl/artikelen/floating_houses.php</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1026/p13s02-lihc.html" >http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1026/p13s02-lihc.html</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/floating_ecohom.php" >http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/floating_ecohom.php</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2006/08/29/interview-koen-olthius-of-waterstudionl/" >http://www.inhabitat.com/2006/08/29/interview-koen-olthius-of-waterstu dionl/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29628</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29628</guid>
		<description>jh, Predicting when the sea level rise will occur and by how much is a bit like predicting when the next Great Alpine Earthquake earthquake will occur and how big it will be.

Preditions for sea level rise will be less precise than predicting faultline earthquakes because scientists can't simply look at the past to narrow down the range of options for the future. Your guesstimate of sometime between next week and next century is reasonable given the limited knowledge currently available of the various causal mechanisims and there potentially cmplex and non-linear interactions.

To date the best prediction paleoseimologists have been able to cme up with for the Great Alpine Fault is 50% probability within 30 years, 90% probability within 100 years, 95% probability it will register 7.9 +/-0.25 and involve betwee 300km and 500km of the northern most portion of the Great Alpine fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jh, Predicting when the sea level rise will occur and by how much is a bit like predicting when the next Great Alpine Earthquake earthquake will occur and how big it will be.</p>
<p>Preditions for sea level rise will be less precise than predicting faultline earthquakes because scientists can&#8217;t simply look at the past to narrow down the range of options for the future. Your guesstimate of sometime between next week and next century is reasonable given the limited knowledge currently available of the various causal mechanisims and there potentially cmplex and non-linear interactions.</p>
<p>To date the best prediction paleoseimologists have been able to cme up with for the Great Alpine Fault is 50% probability within 30 years, 90% probability within 100 years, 95% probability it will register 7.9 +/-0.25 and involve betwee 300km and 500km of the northern most portion of the Great Alpine fault.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29626</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29626</guid>
		<description>Brookhaven

What sort of time frame are we talking here? Sometimes I'm not sure whether the sea will rise next week or next century. 
jh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brookhaven</p>
<p>What sort of time frame are we talking here? Sometimes I&#8217;m not sure whether the sea will rise next week or next century.<br />
jh</p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29625</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29625</guid>
		<description>To your list of refugees you can add people living in places named Marshlands, Riverlands or ending with lagoon, port or mouth, and anywhere with a high water table.

Those sea level maps show that a 1 metre rise can affect river levels up to several hundred metres inland. In most pleces this will be like having a permanent spring tide. This is going to dramatically reduce peak river flow capacities so there will be more frequent floods in places like Greymouth, Blenheim, North/east Christchurch and across the Napier/Hastings Motorway. We are going to have to make the hard decision that London has made and actually return much of our flood plains to the role nature intended them to have instead of trying to build ever higher stopbanks.

A one metre increase in sea levels is effectively a one metre reduction in the height of groynes, sea walls and other coastal defences. This is going to be major problem on some of our most important tourist highways particularly in south Westland and north of Kaikoura where roads (and the railway) can't be moved away from the ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your list of refugees you can add people living in places named Marshlands, Riverlands or ending with lagoon, port or mouth, and anywhere with a high water table.</p>
<p>Those sea level maps show that a 1 metre rise can affect river levels up to several hundred metres inland. In most pleces this will be like having a permanent spring tide. This is going to dramatically reduce peak river flow capacities so there will be more frequent floods in places like Greymouth, Blenheim, North/east Christchurch and across the Napier/Hastings Motorway. We are going to have to make the hard decision that London has made and actually return much of our flood plains to the role nature intended them to have instead of trying to build ever higher stopbanks.</p>
<p>A one metre increase in sea levels is effectively a one metre reduction in the height of groynes, sea walls and other coastal defences. This is going to be major problem on some of our most important tourist highways particularly in south Westland and north of Kaikoura where roads (and the railway) can&#8217;t be moved away from the ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: BucolicOldSirHenry</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29624</link>
		<dc:creator>BucolicOldSirHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29624</guid>
		<description>Forget about environmental refugees. What about all the NZ citizens currently living overseas who have an absolute right to come home any time they choose? If things get rough in Aussie or Europe, we would be welcoming a lot of expats home. See what that does for Auckland house prices...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about environmental refugees. What about all the NZ citizens currently living overseas who have an absolute right to come home any time they choose? If things get rough in Aussie or Europe, we would be welcoming a lot of expats home. See what that does for Auckland house prices&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: samiuela</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29623</link>
		<dc:creator>samiuela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/07/19/ipcc-got-it-wrong-its-worse/#comment-29623</guid>
		<description>I think one of the biggest effects of rising sea level will have on countries such as New Zealand will be that there will be millions of environmental refugees. Where will these people go, who will feed and house them?

We only need to look to our nearest neighbour to see how they deal with tens and hundreds of refugees. Is that how we are going to treat the millions of people currently living in low lying areas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the biggest effects of rising sea level will have on countries such as New Zealand will be that there will be millions of environmental refugees. Where will these people go, who will feed and house them?</p>
<p>We only need to look to our nearest neighbour to see how they deal with tens and hundreds of refugees. Is that how we are going to treat the millions of people currently living in low lying areas?</p>
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