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	<title>Comments on: The war on obesity</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: solarpowered Candle</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34203</link>
		<dc:creator>solarpowered Candle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34203</guid>
		<description>i do wonder just how much grassroots support will be lost this coming election from cannabis ( medical and recreational supporters)  votes due to the extremely obvious back down on cannabis crimilisation especially for medical use that our green party is displaying.  Very keen to take praise for the many wonderful bills etc such as anti smacking and others  yet happy to allow medical cannabis patients to die and be abused in prison . How a party can justify this i have no idea.  I believe 2% of voters will swing away this election because of Greens weak kneed pc approach to this very subject.. Sadly I will be one of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do wonder just how much grassroots support will be lost this coming election from cannabis ( medical and recreational supporters)  votes due to the extremely obvious back down on cannabis crimilisation especially for medical use that our green party is displaying.  Very keen to take praise for the many wonderful bills etc such as anti smacking and others  yet happy to allow medical cannabis patients to die and be abused in prison . How a party can justify this i have no idea.  I believe 2% of voters will swing away this election because of Greens weak kneed pc approach to this very subject.. Sadly I will be one of these.</p>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34201</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34201</guid>
		<description>Toad

"But I can’t get the party membership to agree with me on that one, so it is not Green Party policy"

Thank goodness for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad</p>
<p>&#8220;But I can’t get the party membership to agree with me on that one, so it is not Green Party policy&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank goodness for that.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34196</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34196</guid>
		<description>BB said: &lt;i&gt;Can you please issue a press release Toad, it is about time that the voters in NZ were aware that the Greens support the use of Marijuana and Ecstasy.&lt;/i&gt;

BB, the Greens do not support the use of either marijuana or ecstacy.  They don't support the use of alcohol either, for that matter, or any other drug.  Opposing prohibition is not the same as supporting use.

Green policy is that marijuana and alcohol should be treated similarly.  My personal belief is that ecstacy should be in the same category, since it is a drug that is no more harmful, and probably less harmful,  than alcohol.  But I can't get the party membership to agree with me on that one, so it is not Green Party policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB said: <i>Can you please issue a press release Toad, it is about time that the voters in NZ were aware that the Greens support the use of Marijuana and Ecstasy.</i></p>
<p>BB, the Greens do not support the use of either marijuana or ecstacy.  They don&#8217;t support the use of alcohol either, for that matter, or any other drug.  Opposing prohibition is not the same as supporting use.</p>
<p>Green policy is that marijuana and alcohol should be treated similarly.  My personal belief is that ecstacy should be in the same category, since it is a drug that is no more harmful, and probably less harmful,  than alcohol.  But I can&#8217;t get the party membership to agree with me on that one, so it is not Green Party policy.</p>
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		<title>By: kiore1</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34188</link>
		<dc:creator>kiore1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34188</guid>
		<description>Yes the Greens are being consistent in treating one addictive substance that is unhealthy if taken in excess (junk food) just like another (marijuana).  This of course means taking a harder line of food and a softer line on drugs than that advocated by main stream society to bring them back into line.  So it is ironic that it is the Greens who are accused of being inconsistent.  You may not agree with the Green policy on addictive substances (I don't agree with all of it), but one thing you cannot accuse it of being is inconsistent.

I see I was wrong about an immigrant with a high BMI being turned down, but reading the link it appears she was turned down not because she was fat but becuase the authorities judged she would be a financial drain on the already overstretched health system.  Something I thought right wingers with their continuous demand for less "freeloading" immigrants would have agreed with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the Greens are being consistent in treating one addictive substance that is unhealthy if taken in excess (junk food) just like another (marijuana).  This of course means taking a harder line of food and a softer line on drugs than that advocated by main stream society to bring them back into line.  So it is ironic that it is the Greens who are accused of being inconsistent.  You may not agree with the Green policy on addictive substances (I don&#8217;t agree with all of it), but one thing you cannot accuse it of being is inconsistent.</p>
<p>I see I was wrong about an immigrant with a high BMI being turned down, but reading the link it appears she was turned down not because she was fat but becuase the authorities judged she would be a financial drain on the already overstretched health system.  Something I thought right wingers with their continuous demand for less &#8220;freeloading&#8221; immigrants would have agreed with.</p>
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		<title>By: stuey</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34181</link>
		<dc:creator>stuey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34181</guid>
		<description>1) the Greens don't support the use of any drug, our policy states that we recognise that a drug-free lifestyle is the healthiest.

2) only one single Green (me) has supported E, not the Party as a whole.

3) the Greens are not pushing this issue, they are studiously ignoring it.

4) how come you constantly harp on about personal responsibility and the "nanny state" and how the Greens want to ban things, but you are quite happy for the state to prohibit what substances individuals choose to ingest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) the Greens don&#8217;t support the use of any drug, our policy states that we recognise that a drug-free lifestyle is the healthiest.</p>
<p>2) only one single Green (me) has supported E, not the Party as a whole.</p>
<p>3) the Greens are not pushing this issue, they are studiously ignoring it.</p>
<p>4) how come you constantly harp on about personal responsibility and the &#8220;nanny state&#8221; and how the Greens want to ban things, but you are quite happy for the state to prohibit what substances individuals choose to ingest?</p>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34161</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34161</guid>
		<description>Can you please issue a press release Toad, it is about time that the voters in NZ were aware that the Greens support the use of Marijuana and Ecstasy.

There are some of us who do not want to see the Greens out of the Parliament, however you are on to a sure vote loser by pushing this barrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please issue a press release Toad, it is about time that the voters in NZ were aware that the Greens support the use of Marijuana and Ecstasy.</p>
<p>There are some of us who do not want to see the Greens out of the Parliament, however you are on to a sure vote loser by pushing this barrow.</p>
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		<title>By: stuey</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34158</link>
		<dc:creator>stuey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34158</guid>
		<description>Thanks for that link Nick, I'm certainly not saying that E is safe or harmless, merely that it is less harmful than alcohol. And that link that you provided seems to confirm that, e.g. compare them:

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Alcohol
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Nick, I&#8217;m certainly not saying that E is safe or harmless, merely that it is less harmful than alcohol. And that link that you provided seems to confirm that, e.g. compare them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Alcohol" >http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Alcohol</a><br />
<a href="http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy" >http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy</a></p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34157</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34157</guid>
		<description>Nick C said: &lt;i&gt;...it does work with drugs like P and ecstacy, which are clearly more harmful then alcohol...&lt;/i&gt;

Ecstasy more harmful than alcohol?  Come on, Nick.

How many fights at parties or domestic violence incidents are caused by people on esctacy?  A big doughnut would be my guess.  Ecstacy is relatively harmeless compared to alcohol.  P is far more harmful than either.

By the way, Green policy is total prohibition of all drug use by and supply to anyone under 18.  That includes party pills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick C said: <i>&#8230;it does work with drugs like P and ecstacy, which are clearly more harmful then alcohol&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Ecstasy more harmful than alcohol?  Come on, Nick.</p>
<p>How many fights at parties or domestic violence incidents are caused by people on esctacy?  A big doughnut would be my guess.  Ecstacy is relatively harmeless compared to alcohol.  P is far more harmful than either.</p>
<p>By the way, Green policy is total prohibition of all drug use by and supply to anyone under 18.  That includes party pills.</p>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34156</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34156</guid>
		<description>Last week my stepson came home from school with a letter addressed to his "caregivers" (anything addressed in such a way alerts my PC antenna immediately)

The gist of the letter (apart from being a promotion for the teachers union) was that as the teachers union were pushing for smaller class sizes (nobody disagrees with that) some subjects would have to go.

Have a guess at what was first on the list of subjects that would have less emphasis placed on them in 2008....physial education.
At a time when child obesity is at epidemic proportions and a time when youth crime is out of control the lazy sods want to drop PE from the school curriculum.
Kids need to be active, kids need more sport (competitive sport at that) as a way of fighting obesity and youth crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week my stepson came home from school with a letter addressed to his &#8220;caregivers&#8221; (anything addressed in such a way alerts my PC antenna immediately)</p>
<p>The gist of the letter (apart from being a promotion for the teachers union) was that as the teachers union were pushing for smaller class sizes (nobody disagrees with that) some subjects would have to go.</p>
<p>Have a guess at what was first on the list of subjects that would have less emphasis placed on them in 2008&#8230;.physial education.<br />
At a time when child obesity is at epidemic proportions and a time when youth crime is out of control the lazy sods want to drop PE from the school curriculum.<br />
Kids need to be active, kids need more sport (competitive sport at that) as a way of fighting obesity and youth crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34155</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/11/28/the-war-on-obesity/#comment-34155</guid>
		<description>The Primary reason that I am opposed to party drug legalisation is because people shouldnt need drugs to enjoy life. Legalisation sends the wrong message, that using drugs to get high is ok and a normal part of life, they are not and people should not be encouraged to think that they are. Also a number of other reasons such as the fact that party drugs are very harmful towards children, who are (excuse the cliche) the future. 

Although prohibition didnt work with alcohol becuase there was such strong demand for it by the general population, i believe it does work with drugs like P and ecstacy, which are clearly more harmful then alcohol (and esspecially when used along with alcohol). http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy

The reason is that prohibition does work with party drugs is because it does manage to force down the amount of people using these drugs such as P, and it makes it much harder to get.  Given the adverse effects how can we make this avalible for the general population?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Primary reason that I am opposed to party drug legalisation is because people shouldnt need drugs to enjoy life. Legalisation sends the wrong message, that using drugs to get high is ok and a normal part of life, they are not and people should not be encouraged to think that they are. Also a number of other reasons such as the fact that party drugs are very harmful towards children, who are (excuse the cliche) the future. </p>
<p>Although prohibition didnt work with alcohol becuase there was such strong demand for it by the general population, i believe it does work with drugs like P and ecstacy, which are clearly more harmful then alcohol (and esspecially when used along with alcohol). <a href="http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy" >http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Ecstasy</a></p>
<p>The reason is that prohibition does work with party drugs is because it does manage to force down the amount of people using these drugs such as P, and it makes it much harder to get.  Given the adverse effects how can we make this avalible for the general population?</p>
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