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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re selling more butter and buying more oil</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-42082</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-42082</guid>
		<description>@ $4/pound it's already serious money!
anyway, butter's too yummy to burn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ $4/pound it&#8217;s already serious money!<br />
anyway, butter&#8217;s too yummy to burn</p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-42048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-42048</guid>
		<description>Why are we churning out mountains of butter when we could be turning our butter fat into biodeisel and making some serious money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we churning out mountains of butter when we could be turning our butter fat into biodeisel and making some serious money.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41918</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41918</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;jh Says: 
April 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
How would the government deal with too large a deficitâ€¦ ? Once it would have devalued.&lt;/blockquote&gt; in my view the proper response is to regulate capital flows &#38; foreign ownership - here's where we went into a bit more depth on this: http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/
&lt;blockquote&gt;our deficits didnâ€™t just come about because we suddenly became poor at producing or at exporting, nor did a previously sober race suddenly say â€œhey these credit cards are great! we can spend more than we earn!â€? in fact weâ€™re probably better exporters than ever before, with an economy more focussed on our export industries instead of on the old inefficient import-replacement manufacturing.

while a situation like this is more complex than can be fully accounted for in generalities, in the main we didnâ€™t get into debt from trade imbalances - the problem is primarily generated from the other side of the equation - trade imbalances arise from capital movement imbalances. the precipitate liberalization of capital markets &#38; ownership regulations along with the sale of state assets have dragged investment into the country (not so much into new productive capacity but simply into acquisitions), which has kept the dollar high &#38; hence foreign stuff cheap.&lt;/blockquote&gt; (part of a long post in that thread)
&lt;blockquote&gt;jingyang Says: 
April 29th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Well we can cover a few months of the deficit from the sale of Vectorâ€™s electricity network in Wellington..:-)
But of course, in the longer term profit repatriated to Hong Kong will add to the deficit &lt;/blockquote&gt; alas, it's the other way around - a huge capital inflow does not cover deficit, it creates deficit, &#38; is the opposite to the direction the government should be looking to move in.  
this really could be the key moment at which they choose to win or lose the next election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>jh Says:<br />
April 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pm<br />
How would the government deal with too large a deficitâ€¦ ? Once it would have devalued.</p></blockquote>
<p> in my view the proper response is to regulate capital flows &amp; foreign ownership - here&#8217;s where we went into a bit more depth on this: <a href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/" >http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>our deficits didnâ€™t just come about because we suddenly became poor at producing or at exporting, nor did a previously sober race suddenly say â€œhey these credit cards are great! we can spend more than we earn!â€? in fact weâ€™re probably better exporters than ever before, with an economy more focussed on our export industries instead of on the old inefficient import-replacement manufacturing.</p>
<p>while a situation like this is more complex than can be fully accounted for in generalities, in the main we didnâ€™t get into debt from trade imbalances - the problem is primarily generated from the other side of the equation - trade imbalances arise from capital movement imbalances. the precipitate liberalization of capital markets &amp; ownership regulations along with the sale of state assets have dragged investment into the country (not so much into new productive capacity but simply into acquisitions), which has kept the dollar high &amp; hence foreign stuff cheap.</p></blockquote>
<p> (part of a long post in that thread)</p>
<blockquote><p>jingyang Says:<br />
April 29th, 2008 at 6:24 pm<br />
Well we can cover a few months of the deficit from the sale of Vectorâ€™s electricity network in Wellington..:-)<br />
But of course, in the longer term profit repatriated to Hong Kong will add to the deficit </p></blockquote>
<p> alas, it&#8217;s the other way around - a huge capital inflow does not cover deficit, it creates deficit, &amp; is the opposite to the direction the government should be looking to move in.<br />
this really could be the key moment at which they choose to win or lose the next election</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41898</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41898</guid>
		<description>Its &lt;i&gt;Gun Fight at OK Coral &lt;/i&gt;for libertarian philosophy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/worldbusiness/28oil-WEB.html?_r=2&#38;hp=&#38;pagewanted=all&#38;oref=slogin&#38;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its <i>Gun Fight at OK Coral </i>for libertarian philosophy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/worldbusiness/28oil-WEB.html?_r=2&amp;hp=&amp;pagewanted=all&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin" >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/worldbusiness/28oil-WEB.htm l?_r=2&amp;hp=&amp;pagewanted=all&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41896</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41896</guid>
		<description>What about real estate, perhaps it is a minor factor but given the 25% population increase since 1990 it must have been an issue. Since developers plug into our existing infrastructure and we need a city plan to deal with growth (not to mention potential cold showers) I think it is very much our business how a trade deficit is being dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about real estate, perhaps it is a minor factor but given the 25% population increase since 1990 it must have been an issue. Since developers plug into our existing infrastructure and we need a city plan to deal with growth (not to mention potential cold showers) I think it is very much our business how a trade deficit is being dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: libertyscott</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41873</link>
		<dc:creator>libertyscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41873</guid>
		<description>Who's this "we" that is being referred to in this post?  I'm not responsible for what other people sell or buy, and neither is anyone else.   As long as people can pay for what they buy and get paid for what they sell, this is largely irrelevant.

Services are completely ignored of course, making this post little more than quaint onanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s this &#8220;we&#8221; that is being referred to in this post?  I&#8217;m not responsible for what other people sell or buy, and neither is anyone else.   As long as people can pay for what they buy and get paid for what they sell, this is largely irrelevant.</p>
<p>Services are completely ignored of course, making this post little more than quaint onanism.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor29</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41870</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41870</guid>
		<description>Any idea what type of fertilizer is being imported? Is it nitrates such as ammonium nitrate and urea, or is it more Potassium, Phosphate or Sulphur types?

Nitrate fertilizers are made from ammonia which in turn is made from hydrogen, which is often made from natural gas (at Kapuni in NZ). However hydrogen can be made by electrolysis so if we had spare renewable electricity resources, we can use them for that. It is one way of exporting energy.

Trevor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idea what type of fertilizer is being imported? Is it nitrates such as ammonium nitrate and urea, or is it more Potassium, Phosphate or Sulphur types?</p>
<p>Nitrate fertilizers are made from ammonia which in turn is made from hydrogen, which is often made from natural gas (at Kapuni in NZ). However hydrogen can be made by electrolysis so if we had spare renewable electricity resources, we can use them for that. It is one way of exporting energy.</p>
<p>Trevor.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41868</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41868</guid>
		<description>Brazil Oil Trapped by 500-Degree Heat, Salt Barrier (Update2)

By Joe Carroll
Until the tools needed to exploit the reservoirs are invented, the crude will remain locked under the sea, said Matt Cline, a U.S. Energy Department economist.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&#38;sid=aalWn.eJHGZk&#38;refer=latin_america</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brazil Oil Trapped by 500-Degree Heat, Salt Barrier (Update2)</p>
<p>By Joe Carroll<br />
Until the tools needed to exploit the reservoirs are invented, the crude will remain locked under the sea, said Matt Cline, a U.S. Energy Department economist.<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&amp;sid=aalWn.eJHGZk&amp;refer=latin_america" >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&amp;sid=aalWn.eJHGZk&amp;refer =latin_america</a></p>
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		<title>By: jingyang</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41862</link>
		<dc:creator>jingyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41862</guid>
		<description>Well we can cover a few months of the deficit from the sale of Vector's electricity network in Wellington..:-)
But of course, in the longer term profit repatriated to Hong Kong will add to the deficit :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we can cover a few months of the deficit from the sale of Vector&#8217;s electricity network in Wellington..:-)<br />
But of course, in the longer term profit repatriated to Hong Kong will add to the deficit <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41854</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/04/29/were-selling-more-butter-and-buying-more-oil/#comment-41854</guid>
		<description>How would the government deal with too large a deficit... ? Once it would have devalued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would the government deal with too large a deficit&#8230; ? Once it would have devalued.</p>
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