Comments on: 500 Scientists with Documented Doubts - about the Heartland Institute? http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:19:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42468 StephenR Mon, 05 May 2008 20:24:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42468 Might be on to something there Kevyn. Might be on to something there Kevyn.

]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42270 Kevyn Fri, 02 May 2008 13:13:04 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42270 The trick, of course, is to identify scientists with doubts about the mechanisms of AGW then refer to this as doubts about the validity of human induced climate change. You could do the same thing with time or gravity. There doesn't seem to be any scientific consensus how time or gravity actually work, but nobody actually denies that they exist. Except on the fringes of quantum theory where it's often difficult to tell where an alternative universe ends and an alternative reality begins. The trick, of course, is to identify scientists with doubts about the mechanisms of AGW then refer to this as doubts about the validity of human induced climate change. You could do the same thing with time or gravity. There doesn’t seem to be any scientific consensus how time or gravity actually work, but nobody actually denies that they exist. Except on the fringes of quantum theory where it’s often difficult to tell where an alternative universe ends and an alternative reality begins.

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42227 StephenR Fri, 02 May 2008 00:28:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42227 SALINGER?? keeeeryst. SALINGER?? keeeeryst.

]]> By: toad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42225 toad Fri, 02 May 2008 00:25:58 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42225 Skeptic Tank is right! They even include NIWA's Dr Jim Salinger on their list, despite this from him in the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10448843" rel="nofollow">NZ Herald</a>: NZ Herald: Are you a climate change believer or sceptic? Have you noticed any major changes in your time in weather forecasting and if so, what has been the most surprising? Dr Jim Salinger: Climate has always changed over time. However, <b>I agree with the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment Report</b>. This has concluded that warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea levels. Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century <b>is very likely due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations</b>. Major changes I have noticed in my time in climate research have been the shrinkage of mountain glaciers in New Zealand and worldwide, the warming of temperatures and the decrease in frosts. [my emphasis]. These Heartland nutcases have just made most of it up!!! Skeptic Tank is right!

They even include NIWA’s Dr Jim Salinger on their list, despite this from him in the NZ Herald:

NZ Herald: Are you a climate change believer or sceptic? Have you noticed any major changes in your time in weather forecasting and if so, what has been the most surprising?

Dr Jim Salinger: Climate has always changed over time. However, I agree with the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment Report. This has concluded that warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea levels. Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. Major changes I have noticed in my time in climate research have been the shrinkage of mountain glaciers in New Zealand and worldwide, the warming of temperatures and the decrease in frosts. [my emphasis].

These Heartland nutcases have just made most of it up!!!

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42218 StephenR Thu, 01 May 2008 22:42:53 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42218 As one of the posters on desmogblog points out, Stefan Rahmstorf is on the Heartland List, but he has a website here: http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/ where he has an article rubbishing climate skeptics! As one of the posters on desmogblog points out, Stefan Rahmstorf is on the Heartland List, but he has a website here:
http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/ where he has an article rubbishing climate skeptics!

]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42217 jh Thu, 01 May 2008 22:41:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42217 This man backs ACT (last election) The Libertarian Wet Dream: I'VE NEVER HAD A JOB MY ENTIRE LIFE... “Why Would Anyone Agree to Work 40 Hours a Week, For 49 Weeks a Year- When in ONE WEEK You Can Do a Deal Worth $80,000- http://tinyurl.com/3etmcw PS Asset inflation isn't wealth creation it just creates a charge elsewhere in the economy: Kurt Richenbauer. This man backs ACT (last election)
The Libertarian Wet Dream:

I’VE NEVER HAD A JOB MY ENTIRE LIFE…

“Why Would Anyone Agree to Work
40 Hours a Week, For 49 Weeks a Year-
When in ONE WEEK
You Can Do a Deal Worth $80,000-

http://tinyurl.com/3etmcw

PS Asset inflation isn’t wealth creation it just creates a charge elsewhere in the economy: Kurt Richenbauer.

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42216 StephenR Thu, 01 May 2008 22:39:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42216 It is not so much the number as the fact that Heartland decided to construct a list based on their interpretation of the scientists' research, *without* even asking these guys if they wanted to BE on the list. <blockquote> They have taken our ice core research in Wyoming and twisted it to meet their own agenda. This is not science." Dr. Paul F. Schuster, Hydrologist, US Geological Survey </blockquote> I have no idea what the research was, but this is ridiculous. It is not so much the number as the fact that Heartland decided to construct a list based on their interpretation of the scientists’ research, *without* even asking these guys if they wanted to BE on the list.

They have taken our ice core research in Wyoming and twisted it to meet their own agenda. This is not science.”

Dr. Paul F. Schuster, Hydrologist, US Geological Survey

I have no idea what the research was, but this is ridiculous.

]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42215 jh Thu, 01 May 2008 22:33:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42215 As a ratio of for against where are we at? 455 to ---? As a ratio of for against where are we at? 455 to —?

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42203 StephenR Thu, 01 May 2008 21:32:11 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/02/500-scientists-with-documented-doubts-about-the-heartland-institute/#comment-42203 <blockquote> over 45 scientists now demanding that there names be stricken from the list, </blockquote> <blockquote> Why can't people spend their time trying to identify and evaluate the facts concerning climate change rather than trying to obscure them?" Dr. James P. Berry, Senior Scientist, Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute </blockquote> JEEEEEEEEEZZ

over 45 scientists now demanding that there names be stricken from the list,

Why can’t people spend their time trying to identify and evaluate the facts concerning climate change rather than trying to obscure them?”

Dr. James P. Berry, Senior Scientist, Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute

JEEEEEEEEEZZ

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