Comments on: Voting with your head or with your heart http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:43:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43200 big bro Wed, 14 May 2008 09:16:35 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43200 Oh come on Frog/Toad..is everything I write now going to moderation? Oh come on Frog/Toad..is everything I write now going to moderation?

]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43197 big bro Wed, 14 May 2008 09:15:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43197 trees It is irrelevant what policy the Nat's release you and I both know that the new leadership in the party will NEVER go with the Nat's. It is a pity that your party has been hijacked by the hard left. trees

It is irrelevant what policy the Nat’s release you and I both know that the new leadership in the party will NEVER go with the Nat’s.

It is a pity that your party has been hijacked by the hard left.

]]> By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43193 treesoftomorrow Wed, 14 May 2008 09:11:36 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43193 the question is what would national do to get the greens - at the moment they are like Helen Clark - no compromise - in essense it would be an abusive relationship with little gain. National refuse to release their environmental policy. so how can one choose wether to work with them or not - all they do is slag off labour and talk about the economy and how they are anti youth. the question is what would national do to get the greens - at the moment they are like Helen Clark - no compromise - in essense it would be an abusive relationship with little gain.

National refuse to release their environmental policy. so how can one choose wether to work with them or not - all they do is slag off labour and talk about the economy and how they are anti youth.

]]> By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43192 treesoftomorrow Wed, 14 May 2008 09:09:42 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43192 BB - I agree with you - Greens are being dragged down by Labour BB - I agree with you - Greens are being dragged down by Labour

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43152 StephenR Wed, 14 May 2008 03:17:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43152 Hard left or not, how can one not like that: "Our policy has always been to use environmental taxes to take off the first quantum" <blockquote> Well, my response is to say if you want the issues the Greens care about promoted in parliament, you want a strong Green party. And Labour will do whatever Labour does, which is to suck up to United Future or NZ First or whatever. And they’ll <b> sell you out </b>. </blockquote> OH! Strong language, I like it. Hard left or not, how can one not like that:

“Our policy has always been to use environmental taxes to take off the first quantum”

Well, my response is to say if you want the issues the Greens care about promoted in parliament, you want a strong Green party. And Labour will do whatever Labour does, which is to suck up to United Future or NZ First or whatever. And they’ll sell you out .

OH! Strong language, I like it.

]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43133 big bro Wed, 14 May 2008 02:06:10 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43133 please post my comment please post my comment

]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43132 big bro Wed, 14 May 2008 02:05:47 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43132 BP is right, the Greens run the very real risk of being "collateral damage" because of their association with Labour. Had Nandoor succeeded in his co leadership bid then perhaps the voting public might have not had had to make the choice between Labour/Greens and voting for the Nat's to rid themselves of Labour. Nandoor might well have presented the voters with an option that could have conceivably included doing a deal with the Nat's thereby ensuring the survival of the Greens. The problem the Greens have created for themselves with the dramatic shift to the hard left is that the public now know that you will never go with the Nat's under any circumstances. BP is right, the Greens run the very real risk of being “collateral damage” because of their association with Labour.

Had Nandoor succeeded in his co leadership bid then perhaps the voting public might have not had had to make the choice between Labour/Greens and voting for the Nat’s to rid themselves of Labour.
Nandoor might well have presented the voters with an option that could have conceivably included doing a deal with the Nat’s thereby ensuring the survival of the Greens.

The problem the Greens have created for themselves with the dramatic shift to the hard left is that the public now know that you will never go with the Nat’s under any circumstances.

]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43125 jh Wed, 14 May 2008 01:16:30 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43125 Peter raised a good point about Peak Support (elsewhere) with out a change of direction away from current ideology towards a more rational approach. People have a price whereby the will fades as the shower turns cold or the factory is threatened with closure. Other parties are going Green (even Roger Kerr and Rodney Hide). To steer a pure course we need build an on line base of argument mappers, rise above the uncouth (of course it's a two way street). Just a suggestion. :smile: Peter raised a good point about Peak Support (elsewhere) with out a change of direction away from current ideology towards a more rational approach. People have a price whereby the will fades as the shower turns cold or the factory is threatened with closure. Other parties are going Green (even Roger Kerr and Rodney Hide). To steer a pure course we need build an on line base of argument mappers, rise above the uncouth (of course it’s a two way street). Just a suggestion. :smile:

]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43121 BluePeter Wed, 14 May 2008 00:47:46 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/14/voting-with-your-head-or-with-your-heart/#comment-43121 "And Labour will do whatever Labour does, which is to suck up to United Future or NZ First or whatever" And Green will do whatever Green does, which is to (begrudgingly,I'm sure) support a Labour government and keep National out. So the message is clear - if you want Labour out, do not vote Green? “And Labour will do whatever Labour does, which is to suck up to United Future or NZ First or whatever”

And Green will do whatever Green does, which is to (begrudgingly,I’m sure) support a Labour government and keep National out.

So the message is clear - if you want Labour out, do not vote Green?

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