The real Tibet
It seems, according to a Chinese delegation here in NZ this week, that we were mistaken about state violence in Tibet earlier this year:
Delegation leader Shes-rab-nyi-ma, vice-president of Beijing’s Central University for Nationalities, said they wanted to correct erroneous reports of a violent crackdown on Tibet. The delegates wanted to show “the real picture” of Tibet. He was confident the territory would remain stable and calm during the Olympics, which begin on August 8.
Professor Shes-rab-nyi-ma said those arrested after violent incidents in March were being released after being educated in Chinese law that prohibits any activity that undermines stability in China. China regards Tibet as a province and any talk of independence is described as “splittist”.
The Communist Party has posted new orders halting religious activities in monasteries till monks and nuns are re-registered. Those who fail loyalty tests are to be dismissed and their accommodation demolished.
Oh, that’s all right then. Move on folks, nothing to see here. This way to Beijing and the Olympics.
(The Teachers Council may also want to take note of this monk registration process)
July 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I really don’t understand how New Zealand can sign a Free Trade Agreement with China. We shouldn’t be able to enter into any treaties with governments that are not legitimate. The only legitimate nations are ones that are by the people of the people and for the people.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Government controlled press = no one can trust anything they come up with. Christ.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Some thoughts for Keith Locke, or anyone meeting these ‘professors’ to probe on.
Did these Professors remember to mention that the Tibetan language is taught in Mandarin, that no Tibetan language is taught at High School and College level, and all Tibet related subjects are all taught in Mandarin?
Perhaps you could ask them why no one is allowed to do thorough research themselves on the ground in Tibet and verify all these pretty numbers and claims.
The ‘money spent’ by the Chinese on Tibet is to further the Han expansion, and is in any case but a minute drop compared to what the Han Chinese extract in natural resources and loot back to the east coast for their sole benefit.
Try and ask a few pertinent questions in Tibet, and you’re met with icy stonewalling, intimidation and immediate expulsion.
And ask these ‘scholars’ why it is that no one is allowed into Tibet to roam free and verify the fate of all the missing Tibetan monks and people, thousand of them.
How many have been massacred and how many may have been used for the lucrative organ trade?
Would you trust a delegation, which travels the world with their ‘good news story’, but vehemently blocks access to validate these claims?
And please pass on this letter for their great leader.
http://one-just-world.blogspot.com/2008/07/letter-to-hu-jintao.html
July 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
The Free Trade Agreement with Burma et al (the ASEAN-Australia-NZ agreement) is planned to be completed next month. Beat that for an illegitimate government.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
ergh, free trade agreement should never of gone ahead, though i dont have aproblem with it on ethical grounds. anyway, china has legitimacy in the fact that the majority of people arnt willing to risk their lifes to change the state, of course tats mostly due to the media and the guns
July 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
China will, never I repeat never let Tibet go
Dose anyone know why??
A chocolate fish for the first correct answer
July 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
My 2 cents: ‘cos then they’d have to admit they were wrong’, and the grand old peoples communist party is never wrong.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
a) tibet is a strategic resource.
b) there be minerals in them there mountains.
c) if they let it go they look weak and potentially loose control over other such territories and ethnicities.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Did these Professors remember to mention that the Tibetan language is taught in Mandarin, that no Tibetan language is taught at High School and College level, and all Tibet related subjects are all taught in Mandarin?
Perhaps you could ask them why no one is allowed to do thorough research themselves on the ground in Tibet and verify all these pretty numbers and claims.
The ‘money spent’ by the Chinese on Tibet is to further the Han expansion, and is in any case but a minute drop compared to what the Han Chinese extract in natural resources and loot back to the east coast for their sole benefit.
Try and ask a few pertinent questions in Tibet, and you’re met with icy stonewalling, intimidation and immediate expulsion.
And ask these ‘scholars’ why it is that no one is allowed into Tibet to roam free and verify the fate of all the missing Tibetan monks and people, thousand of them.
How many have been massacred and how many may have been used for the lucrative organ trade?
Would you trust a delegation, which travels the world with their ‘good news story’, but vehemently blocks access to validate these claims?
And please pass on this letter for their great leader.
http://one-just-world.blogspot.com/2008/07/letter-to-hu-jintao.html
July 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Somehow there is CCP style censorship preventing my post from appearing on this site.
Well, what’s good for one oppressive, tyrannical regime must be acceptable for their nemesis, the Green Party!!
Or are they still enamoured with their red comrades creating their workers paradise?
Ah well, thanks a lot, this might just make another blog!
July 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Sapient is partly right
there is a strategic resource
what is it ?
July 29th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Sapient said: a) tibet is a strategic resource. b) there be minerals in them there mountains. c) if they let it go they look weak and potentially loose control over other such territories and ethnicities.
Bit like the US in Iraq, and whatever other Middle-Eastern countries they may want to forcibly install proxy governments in, isn’t it Sapient?
Let’s hope Obama has a better environmental and geopolitical analysis and strategy than Dubya, but I’m not really all that confident.
As for Tibet and China, well, we don’t even get proper elections there (or the US, actually), but I’ll still support to the hilt the right of the Tibetan people to self-determination.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
still waiting
I thought the greens would be all over this one
I am surprised by the lack of basic knowledge by some of my green friends
you have to look behind the rhetoric and ask why ??
July 29th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
lol, i was going to make the comparison but i though it best to avoid further provoking the ‘anti-us’ accusations.
Tibet is between india and china, is the source of almost all of chinas water and considering the uplifting of the himalayas it likley also contains a good degree of heavy metals and potentially those really heavy unstable ones that are so good for weapons.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
panda Says:
July 29th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
still waiting
> I thought the greens would be all over this one
I think we (including Frog) have been assuming the lies are so blatant we don’t have to point them out.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Sapient said
Tibet is between india and china, is the source of almost all of chinas water
got it in one
http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/world/china-tibet-and-the-strate gic-power-of-water/
control and management of an even more vital resource – the Tibetan Plateau’s vast supply of freshwater – is also emerging at the center of the increasingly tense political and cultural strife between China and Tibet.
According to studies by the United Nations and several prominent global environmental organizations, almost half of the world’s population lives in the watersheds of the rivers whose sources lie on the Tibetan Plateau.
That boys and girls is why no matter what the rest of the world says or thinks is whyTibet will ALWAYS be part of China
one chocolate on the way to Sapient